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Ohio family held at gunpoint by police at Dayton Air Force Museum

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I'm truly amazed at the poor judgement and lack of common sense demonstrated by the LEOs (military & local) who detained AT GUNPOINT a grandmother, mother and two small children because they had received a tip that two people were casing cars in the Air Force Museum parking lot (8 year old kid with mom looking at all of the out of state licence plates). Maybe I'm over reacting here (assuming that the story is accurate), but how stupid does one need to be not to see this situation for what it was. I sincerely hope that these guys receive some well needed training on accessing a potential crime in progress.




Ohio family held at gunpoint by police at Dayton Air Force Museum | Local News - WLWT Home

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I certainly don't understand where this type of behavior comes from. If these fellas are that afraid of doing their job as an officer, as for holding weapons on two women and two small children, perhaps they need find another occupation. These actions, or should I say over re-actions, seem to be commonplace since the "black rifle" scare and the bemoaning of libs and politicians over school shootings.
Your right on the mark, Buck, MUCH training and retraining is needed. Perhaps a couple weeks in a cell with some REAL criminals would do these clowns some good. Folks are starting to (if not already) fear police officers. Every day there is another report of officers over stepping their bounds. Somehow this needs to stop.
After the Pennsylvania high school stabbing yesterday, i'm assuming we'll have to register or give up our kitchen knives next.
The libs are sending our country to hell in a handbasket.:flag:
 
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Here is a link to the updated story. Although it provides some details that were not a part of the initial story, and provides a better reason for the LOEs to act as they did to a degree, it seams that any reasonable person would have taken an interim step to verify that the vehicle registration matched the vehicle and driver's license before dragging two older ladies out of the vehicle in front of two small screaming children at gunpoint. :cool:

http://www.airforcetimes.com/articl...curity-holds-granny-gunpoint-Wright-Patterson
 

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Check this out, Buck. Talk about authoritative abuse. You can read it all on the drudge report This one may turn into an armed dispute between private citizens and the feds.
The feds went so far as to declare a "First Amendment Zone" where ones right to free speech is suspended????? Apparently, militia members from across the country are showing up to help the rancher defend his self and his family as well. Nevadans always seem to have the balls to do the right thing. I would think that 300 cattle are worth a small fortune? :mad: :flag:





LAS VEGAS (CBS Las Vegas/AP) — Militia groups are rallying behind a rancher whose cattle are being seized by the federal government.
The Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that two militia members from Montana and one from Utah have arrived at Cliven Bundy’s ranch.
“We need to be the barrier between the oppressed and the tyrants,†Ryan Payne of the West Mountain Rangers told the Review-Journal. “Expect to see a band of soldiers.â€
Payne said that militias from New Hampshire, Texas and Florida are likely to join and stand with Bundy and stay at his ranch.
“They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak,†Payne told the Review-Journal, adding that hundreds of militia members are expected.
The Review-Journal also reports that Bundy’s son, Ammon Bundy, was shot with a stun gun by law enforcement officers Wednesday and that the rancher’s sister, Margaret Houston, was pushed to the ground.
“I pulled the tasers out of him,†Cheryl Teerlink told the Review-Journal.
Lawmakers are adding their voices into the fray, criticizing the federal cattle roundup fought by Cliven Bundy who claims longstanding grazing rights on remote public rangeland about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.
Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said he told new U.S. Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze in Washington, D.C., that law-abiding Nevadans shouldn’t be penalized by an “overreaching†agency.
Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval pointed earlier to what he called “an atmosphere of intimidation,†resulting from the roundup and said he believed constitutional rights were being trampled.
Heller said he heard from local officials, residents and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association and remained “extremely concerned about the size of this closure and disruptions with access to roads, water and electrical infrastructure.â€
The federal government has shut down a scenic but windswept area about half the size of the state of Delaware to round up about 900 cattle it says are trespassing.
BLM and National Park Service officials didn’t immediately respond Wednesday to criticisms of the roundup that started Saturday and prompted the closure of the 1,200-square-mile area through May 12.
It’s seen by some as the latest battle over state and federal land rights in a state with deep roots in those disputes, including the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s and ’80s. Nevada, where various federal agencies manage or control more than 80 percent of the land, is among several Western states where ranchers have challenged federal land ownership.
The current showdown pits Bundy’s claims of ancestral rights to graze his cows on open range against federal claims that the cattle are trespassing on arid and fragile habitat of the endangered desert tortoise. Bundy has said he owns about 500 branded cattle on the range and claims the other 400 targeted for roundup are his, too.
BLM and Park Service officials see threats in Bundy’s promise to “do whatever it takes†to protect his property and in his characterization that the dispute constitutes a “range war.â€
U.S. Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Las Vegas, noted that BLM officials were enforcing federal court orders that Bundy remove his animals. The legal battle has been waged for decades.
Kornze, the new BLM chief, is familiar with the area. He’s a natural resource manager who grew up in Elko, Nev., and served previously as a senior adviser to Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Reid aide Kristen Orthman said her boss “hopes the trespassing cattle are rounded up safely so the issue can be resolved.â€
Sandoval, a former state attorney general and federal district court judge, weighed in late Tuesday after several days of media coverage about blocked roads and armed federal agents fanning out around Bundy’s ranch while contractors using helicopters and vehicles herd cows into portable pens in rugged and remote areas.
“No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans,†the governor said in a statement.
Sandoval said he was most offended that armed federal officials have tried to corral people protesting the roundup into a fenced-in “First Amendment area†south of the resort city of Mesquite.
The site “tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution†and should be dismantled, Sandoval said.
BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon and Park Service spokeswoman Christie Vanover have told reporters during daily conference calls that free-speech areas were established so agents could ensure the safety of contractors, protesters, the rancher and his supporters.
The dispute between Bundy and the federal government dates to 1993, when land managers cited concern for the federally protected tortoise and capped his herd at 150 animals on a 250-square-mile rangeland allotment. Officials later revoked Bundy’s grazing rights completely.
Cannon said Bundy racked up more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees over the years while disregarding several court orders to remove his animals.
Bundy estimates the unpaid fees total about $300,000. He notes that his Mormon family’s 19th century melon farm and ranch operation in surrounding areas predates creation of the BLM in 1946.
Since the cattle roundup began Saturday, there has been one arrest.
Bundy’s son, Dave Bundy, 37, was taken into custody Sunday as he watched the roundup from State Route 170. He was released Monday with bruises on his face and a citation accusing him of refusing to disperse and resisting arrest.
A court date has not been set.
His mother, Carol Bundy, alleged that her son was roughed up by BLM police.
Meanwhile, federal officials say 277 cows have been collected. Cannon said state veterinarian and brand identification officials will determine what becomes of the impounded cattle.
 
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Ok....they acted according to procedure, but they need not have drawn down on women and children.
I think they're procedure needs to change. You are correct.....reasonable person.:flag:
 
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Check this out, Buck. Talk about authoritative abuse. .....
Diesel ... I read today that the Governor of Nevada and the local congressman are pushing back on the BLM on this one. It will be interesting to see where it all ends up.